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On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Ed O’Keefe:
- United CEO Scott Kirby
- Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas
- New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat
- Cardinal Blase Cupich, Archbishop of Chicago
- Peter Mandelson, U.Ok. ambassador to the U.S.
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ED O’KEEFE: I am Ed O’Keefe in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: The papal conclave involves a shock ending, whereas there’s rising issues over our ageing air site visitors management system forward of a busy summer time journey season.
After latest air site visitors management blackouts at Newark Airport, are our skies protected? And can vacationers see extra airline delays or increased ticket costs this summer time? We are going to speak to United Airways CEO Scott Kirby.
Plus: shock and jubilation right here in the US and on the Vatican, the collection of a brand new pope, the primary ever American in church historical past. What sort of impression will Leo XIV, together with his American roots and Peruvian ties, have on the Catholic Church? We are going to focus on with Chicago’s Cardinal Blase Cupich.
And, as President Trump prepares for his first formal worldwide journey, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he is open to peace talks with the Ukrainians, as tensions rise between India and Pakistan. Texas Republican Congressman Mike McCaul, New Mexico Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, and British Ambassador to the U.S. Peter Mandelson all weigh in on the information of the week.
It is all forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation. I am Ed O’Keefe. Margaret is off this week. A cheerful Mom’s Day to her and to all the opposite mothers watching.
We have now acquired quite a bit to get to right now, however we’ve simply realized that there have now been three outages in Newark Liberty Worldwide Airport in latest weeks. The newest got here in a single day and prompted a 45-minute floor cease. At this level, the FAA says that third episode was an gear outage. We are going to replace you as we study extra.
Now, Newark is a serious hub for United Airways. We spoke Saturday earlier than this newest incident with the airline’s CEO, Scott Kirby, and requested him, is it protected to be flying out and in of Newark proper now?
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SCOTT KIRBY (CEO, United Airways): It completely is protected at Newark and in your entire nation.
And the reason being, when these sorts of outages occur, we prepare for them. We have now backup procedures. We have now backups to backups to backups to maintain the skies protected, which is all the time the primary precedence.
And in conditions like this, when the radar outage occurred at Newark, what occurs is the pilots search for different frequencies. They go to different facilities with different radars, they usually even have a system within the airplane the place they’ll see – it is equal of radar.
They’ll see their place within the air within the sky and all the opposite plane round them. However what we do is sluggish the entire system down, which is disruptive to prospects, nevertheless it’s totally protected.
ED O’KEEFE: Newark is your greatest international gateway on the East Coast. Given the issues there and the necessity, as you have described them, to sluggish issues down, what different changes are you making to operations?
And, particularly with the journey season selecting up into the summer time, how is that doubtlessly affecting the schedule?
SCOTT KIRBY: Properly, at United, our primary precedence is security, however quantity two is our prospects.
And, on this case, what we have carried out is we have proactively lowered flights out of the schedule. The FAA is working with different airways to do the identical, in order that we are able to have the variety of flights scheduled on the airport that the airport can accommodate.
Pruning the variety of flights simply creates extra space on the airport, permits the airport to function successfully. There’s additionally runway development occurring. That will likely be over June 15. That is going to double the capability of the airport when that occurs.
ED O’KEEFE : Properly, when you’re pruning the schedule, then which means much less provide with rising demand going into the summer time. Does not that doubtlessly imply the price of a ticket goes to go up?
SCOTT KIRBY: My guess is, when you take a look at the ticket costs flying out of Newark proper now, that, actually, isn’t what is occurring.
There’s much less demand as a result of there’s issues about security. And – and so what we have additionally carried out is put greater airplanes on the route, so put a bigger airplane, have fewer flights, however with greater airplanes to take care of the variety of seats that we’ve flying out and in of Newark. And air journey stays a reasonably robust cut price throughout the nation and across the globe.
And demand is – is powerful. And we look ahead to carrying, , a number of 100,000 prospects a day day by day this summer time.
ED O’KEEFE: There’s the price doubtlessly to the client. How concerning the monetary impression on United?
SCOTT KIRBY: Properly, there will likely be a monetary impression on United, however our primary precedence is security.
We aren’t even considering or speaking about that.
ED O’KEEFE: Properly, and there may be the broader situation of – greater image of air journey.
And also you simply acknowledged that demand is down partly as a result of individuals are involved about security, with all the problems which have occurred to this point this yr. However you have additionally acquired financial turmoil prompted by tariffs. There’s lingering issues about inflation.
And you have stated you may’t predict how prospects are going to be spending their cash going ahead. So, I imply, what’s the potential damaging impression on the journey business by means of the remainder of the yr?
SCOTT KIRBY: You realize, the journey business and United Airways, particularly, demand has been resilient.
You realize, we noticed successful to demand, starting in February. Demand declined from what we have been anticipating it to be. However it stabilized into March and – and April and really has gotten a bit bit higher in Could. And so, , every little thing I can see – we’re a reasonably good real-time indicator of the economic system at United Airways.
And every little thing I can see is, the patron is cautious, however nonetheless in fairly good condition.
ED O’KEEFE: You realize, you discuss this world-class air site visitors management system we’ve. You’ll be able to management the plane. You’ll be able to management the standard of the pilot you placed on that plane to fly it. You’ll be able to management the schedule, however you don’t management who’s within the tower and the way many individuals are within the tower.
So, you say it is a world-class air site visitors management system. How will you guarantee passengers of that, given all the problems we have seen, particularly this yr, with the FAA?
SCOTT KIRBY: Properly, we have to improve the system to really make it world-class.
However air site visitors controllers are one of the best on the earth, unimaginable professionals, they usually maintain the skies protected. And what occurs once they’re short-staffed or there is a expertise situation, they sluggish the airspace down. Basically, what they do is put extra miles between airplanes.
That provides them the flexibility to handle and deal with it. It results in buyer impacts. We have now to delay or cancel flights, as a result of there are extra flights scheduled than can arrive, nevertheless it retains the system protected. And that is completely what they need to do.
ED O’KEEFE: You have carried out an excellent job of laying out how involved and the way targeted you guys are on security, however there are nonetheless folks on the market who’re genuinely simply afraid to fly, particularly given the incident right here in Washington, the aircraft that flipped over on a runway up in Toronto, all of the close to misses or the clipped wings.
What do you say to that one who thinks, OK, you say issues are protected, however I see all these different points occurring, why ought to I get on an airplane?
SCOTT KIRBY: You realize, I perceive the place they’re coming from, learn the identical headlines that they do.
However it’s – it is the most secure business by far on the earth. It is the most secure approach to journey by far. The USA is the chief in security of everybody across the globe. And I do know that. I am in it, and I do know it. I perceive how folks really feel and empathize with that, however I do know that it is protected as a result of I’ve spent my entire profession.
I do know all of the folks in aviation, whether or not they work at United Airways, different airways, on the FAA. Security is primary, and it’s within the core DNA of everybody.
ED O’KEEFE: We have now seen reviews in latest days, talking of the FAA, that they are going to get along with you and different airways that fly into Newark to speak about voluntarily having you cut back the variety of flights that go into that airport as this will get sorted out.
Is that certainly the plan, and do you count on your competitor airways to go together with it?
SCOTT KIRBY: That’s the plan. We have already began that course of at United, as the biggest airline there.
I do assume everybody will do it. The secretary of transportation deserves immense credit score and the FAA for doing it. It isn’t a straightforward step to take, however it’s the proper step for purchasers. And, once more, in the event that they did not try this, the margin of security can be the identical, however the – the airport would simply have extra delays and cancellations and points for purchasers.
However as a result of they’re doing that, we’re already again to working a dependable airline for all airways at Newark, and it will simply be sure that we do it and get by means of the summer time and have time to be sure that that we get again to full capability.
ED O’KEEFE: We have seen the transportation secretary in latest days name for tens of billions of {dollars} to be spent a minimum of over the following three to 4 years to start that gear improve and retraining of air site visitors controllers.
He cannot put a quantity on it. The Home, a minimum of, has put about $12.5 billion to start out. However everybody appears to acknowledge it’ll be much more than that. Is that enough? And do not you need assistance now, versus three to 4 years from now?
SCOTT KIRBY: Properly, I believe that is probably the most optimistic I’ve been in my complete profession about lastly getting the FAA fastened.
I imply, I and others within the aviation business have been engaged on this for many years. And I believe we’re lastly – we have turned the nook, and we’ve the dedication. It is bipartisan. It is bicameral. It is, , Senate, Home, administration, Secretary Duffy, throughout the board, a dedication to getting this fastened. We all know tips on how to do it.
We simply want the need to really observe by means of and get it carried out.
ED O’KEEFE: What makes you extra optimistic that it’ll get carried out now? This has been one thing they have been speaking about for the reason that Bush administration firstly of the century.
SCOTT KIRBY: Sure.
ED O’KEEFE: And so they have not been capable of get it carried out.
SCOTT KIRBY: Sure.
ED O’KEEFE: And each few years, somebody comes up with a plan.
SCOTT KIRBY: Properly…
ED O’KEEFE: And also you guys and everybody in Congress go, oh, it is nice, it is bipartisan, it is acquired every little thing we want, and it goes nowhere. So why on earth is it extra more likely to occur this time?
SCOTT KIRBY: Sure. There’s two issues that make it totally different right now than up to now. One, they’ve requested for all the funding up entrance.
Previously, it is all the time been a yr at a time. And once you do issues a yr at a time, particularly in authorities, like, it simply stops and begins and stops and begins. You’ll be able to’t do these huge initiatives – like, no firm would attempt to do huge initiatives a yr at a time. So, this time, they are going to ask for all the cash up entrance, which helps you to plan your entire undertaking and get your entire undertaking carried out.
And the second factor is folks. You realize, we’ve a secretary who’s action- oriented, who’s dedicated to getting this carried out, and an FAA administrator that hopefully will get accepted quickly.
ED O’KEEFE: Now they are saying they are going to give the cash up entrance for this undertaking, however, on the identical time, they’re speaking about cuts to the Transportation Division and different cuts to the FAA as a part of the DOGE undertaking.
Do you’ve any insights into how these potential cuts might have an effect on operations of the FAA?
SCOTT KIRBY: I believe Secretary Duffy in all probability is the – the main, gold star for tips on how to handle by means of the DOGE course of, which is, they put – they known as it warning tape, round all the security, controller, all of the essential capabilities.
And – and DOGE went and appeared. And – and I believe they took 400 – about 400 jobs out of over 100,000 jobs, back-office sorts of jobs. I believe they’ve carried out a really efficient job of defending that core security, operational work pressure.
One of many huge challenges is, the controller work pressure is about 30 % brief, and getting again to full staffing within the controller work pressure is one thing that Secretary Duffy and your entire FAA are dedicated to doing.
ED O’KEEFE: However – OK, so that you’re telling us, then, the secretary has assured you there will likely be DOGE cuts, after all, however none of them will have an effect on security on the FAA or something safety-related at DOT?
SCOTT KIRBY: He has completely assured me of that, and it isn’t simply the secretary. The folks on the working degree on the FAA have informed our groups that as properly.
It is actually throughout the board. And this goes to the entire security level for aviation. It is so within the DNA of everybody that is affiliated with it that no one would ever even assume to compromise on security. And that is – that is not taking place on a day-to-day foundation at Newark. It isn’t taking place anyplace within the airspace, and it isn’t going to occur with any form of cuts that occur on the DOT or the FAA.
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ED O’KEEFE: You’ll be able to see our full interview with Scott Kirby on our Web page, FacetheNation.com, and our YouTube web page.
Face the Nation will likely be again in a single minute. Stick with us.
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ED O’KEEFE: President Trump departs to the Center East tomorrow.
Our Imtiaz Tyab has the newest.
IMTIAZ TYAB: Properly, the Trump administration is on the middle of three fast-moving worldwide flash factors, first Russia and Ukraine.
Final evening, President Vladimir Putin proposed direct peace talks with Ukraine within the Turkish capital of Istanbul this Thursday, with out preconditions. The provide follows a dramatic go to to Kyiv by the leaders of the U.Ok., France, Germany, and Poland, a robust present of help for Ukraine.
Now, President Zelenskyy has welcomed the proposal, calling it a optimistic signal and saying there was no level in persevering with the killing. However, for now, the combating continues.
Second, India and Pakistan. A U.S.-brokered cease-fire between the nuclear rivals collapsed inside hours on Saturday, after either side accused one another of recent strikes within the disputed area of Kashmir. Now, the deal adopted days of diplomacy by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President J.D. Vance. President Trump claimed credit score for the breakthrough, however cross-border missile and drone assaults shortly resumed.
“The New York Instances” can be reporting each nations briefly positioned nuclear forces on alert, a sobering reminder of how harmful and unstable the scenario there stays.
And, third, the Center East. President Trump is heading to Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar to push for commerce offers, oil concessions and Gulf funding. He is skipping Israel amid hovering violence in Gaza, the place assist businesses warn of a deepening humanitarian disaster. Israel has not allowed any assist to enter the territory for over two months now.
Electrical energy and clear water are almost nonexistent, medical provides are operating out, and the few remaining hospitals are barely functioning. U.N. officers additionally warn, famine is imminent and are calling for an instantaneous cease-fire to permit lifesaving help in.
In all three arenas, the Trump administration is wielding affect, Ed, however not essentially management.
ED O’KEEFE: Imtiaz Tyab reporting from London, thanks for that.
Now we flip to Texas Republican Congressman Michael McCaul, who joins us from Austin. He’s a senior member of the Home Overseas Affairs Committee and the Home Homeland Safety Committee.
Congressman, thanks for being with us.
I needed to start out first with the scenario in Ukraine, as a result of, over the weekend, the U.S., Europe and Ukraine, put ahead a proposal now for a 30- day cease-fire that will begin on Monday.
President Putin has basically flouted it and is looking for direct talks once more with Ukraine to be held in Turkey in some unspecified time in the future, with out situations. How shut are we, do you assume, to a breakthrough?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-Texas): If I might first, Ed, say Pleased Mom’s Day to all of the moms, particularly my spouse, Linda.
Now, getting on to the topic at hand, it is – it’s extremely intense. You realize, there was a 30-day cease-fire known as for. Mr. Putin determined to bomb Ukraine on Palm Sunday. He isn’t making any concessions in any respect, whereas Zelenskyy appears to be making all of the concessions.
So, if – the underside line is, Putin has to conform to a 30-day cease-fire for any peace talks to go ahead. And the land that he’s asking for is – , even J.D. Vance talked about this and the president – , land that – that Russia has not even occupied in Ukraine. So he has to function in good religion. We would like peace, however not peace at any value, as a result of peace at any value is like appeasement, like we noticed with Chamberlain and Hitler, and that is unacceptable.
ED O’KEEFE: Now, the president has instructed up to now week that the U.S. would possibly impose further sanctions on Russia if they do not conform to this cease-fire.
You realize that South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham has a minimum of 70 of his colleagues within the Senate on board with a brand new sanctions invoice. You are on the Home model of it as properly.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Sure.
ED O’KEEFE: How doubtless is that laws to get to the ground?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: That is actually as much as Mr. Putin. I imply, whether or not there are sanctions or one other supplemental invoice to fund this battle, we would prefer to see this factor over with.
The pope, who I am so pleased with being a Catholic, an American pope, known as for peace, however not at any value. And so if Mr. Putin doesn’t conform to a 30-day cease-fire, I believe these sanctions are nearly sure, not solely from the Congress, however from the White Home.
ED O’KEEFE: Properly, OK, that is one approach to name out Russia, the opposite, I suppose have been you to place strain on Russia by persevering with to arm Ukraine.
You have been instrumental in getting that final spherical of army assist for Ukraine handed, however Speaker Johnson has stated there is no plan to convey a brand new spherical of army assist to the Home flooring. What do you’ll want to do now to persuade the speaker to carry a vote on that laws?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Properly, getting it handed the final time was a serious accomplishment. Had we not achieved that, Ed, Russia can be occupying Ukraine right now, no query in my thoughts.
There may be presidential drawdown authorities for extra weapons to enter Ukraine if Mr. Putin decides to not negotiate in good religion. So, once more, it is actually, as much as Mr. Putin, who to this point has not been negotiating in good religion, as to how we proceed from right here. And all of us need this warfare to finish. All of us need peace, however we would like a simply peace.
ED O’KEEFE: The president, as we talked about, is headed to the Center East tomorrow, on Monday.
There are reviews he is not demanding Saudi recognition of Israel as a situation for a nuclear take care of the US. Is {that a} mistake, or is that this nuclear settlement so essential that not acknowledging Ukraine, letting that go is OK?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: We do not have all the small print. I do know he is there to debate an financial alliance with the Saudis, with the UAE, with the Arab nations.
And that is essential, similar to the minerals deal that the Ukraine parliament voted for. The extra economically we’re tied to the Center East…
ED O’KEEFE: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: … the extra we’re security-tied.
And that – that can push China out of the area. The last word aim right here, although, is a normalization settlement with Israel. We have been getting near that, till Iran determined, by means of its proxy in Gaza in Hamas, to invade on October 7.
So, the purpose is, we have to be speaking about all this as a bundle. However, once more, we can’t have normalization till you’ve a cease-fire in Gaza. And I believe that is the harder piece right here.
ED O’KEEFE: There’s so many conflicts on the earth. I, after all, meant Israel. You acknowledged that in your reply there, the concept of normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel. A number of points world wide.
There may be one situation, although, again right here at house I wish to speak to you about, once more, since you’re a member of the Home Homeland Safety Committee. Over the weekend, we noticed Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrest the mayor of Newark, New Jersey, outdoors a federal detention middle, they usually’re now threatening to arrest three Democratic members of Congress for allegedly assaulting or touching an ICE agent there on the scene.
I am simply curious, ought to ICE be arresting and even threatening to arrest members of Congress?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I imply, that is clearly a really drastic transfer. I’d solely try this in the event that they have been complicit with against the law.
I do not know all of the details behind this. In the event that they have been simply visiting a detention middle, that is – I’ve carried out that many occasions. In the event that they’re disrupting regulation enforcement, that is one other query. So, , we are able to peacefully protest on this nation, however you can’t be complicit with gang violence in opposition to our regulation enforcement. And I believe maybe that is what it comes all the way down to.
Ed, if I might simply add one very last thing on the Gaza, Governor David Beasley, who gained the Nobel Peace Prize, has been not too long ago tasked into an effort, if you’ll. And I simply talked to him on the telephone, had many conversations with the Arab nations to attempt to get this assist into Gaza. He was a former World Meals Program president.
If anyone can get this factor carried out, it is him. And so I maintain nice hope that he might be able to convey an finish to this battle in Gaza. Then we are able to get to normalization. Then, for the primary time in our lifetime, we might see true peace within the Center East.
ED O’KEEFE: There have been reviews that Beasley was going to be in control of some form of new effort. Are you telling us that he is formally informed you that is the plan now, that he is been employed to do it?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Properly, it isn’t official but.
ED O’KEEFE: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I anticipate it will likely be. And he is had the conversations with the Arab nations who very a lot belief him based mostly on his prior efficiency.
ED O’KEEFE: Certain, completely, well-known for his work with the World Meals Program.
I do wish to ask you one different factor, although, within the homeland safety realm, as a result of this previous week, as properly White Home senior adviser Stephen Miller stated habeas corpus may be suspended on the time of an invasion, saying the administration is taking a look at methods to doubtlessly dispose of due course of for undocumented immigrants.
You are an lawyer. You are somebody who offers with homeland safety points and immigration, being there from the Lone Star State. Is suspending habeas corpus for undocumented immigrants a good suggestion?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Properly, that is – was carried out by President Abraham Lincoln in the course of the Civil Struggle. It is a very excessive measure, , to take.
Any particular person in the US underneath the Structure has due course of rights. So, I believe the courts are going to resolve this one as as to whether this invasion, actually, constitutes a – what can be a state of warfare. Some would say it will. Individuals in my state of Texas see an invasion and the drug cartels and the hazard that they bring about into my state on this nation.
I believe that will likely be a really fascinating authorized argument earlier than the court docket.
ED O’KEEFE: Properly, curious to name in an invasion, particularly when the administration likes to remind us that border crossings are, after all, at a historic low. In order that’ll be a part of the authorized debate. I suppose.
Congressman…
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: They’ve gone down considerably, sure.
ED O’KEEFE: They positive have.
Congressman Michael McCaul, thanks for globe-trotting with us this morning. We recognize it.
And we’ll be proper again.
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ED O’KEEFE: We could have far more in our subsequent half-hour, together with New Mexico’s Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, who’s standing by.
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ED O’KEEFE: We will likely be proper again with New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, plus Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago and the U.Ok. ambassador to the U.S.
Stick with us.
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ED O’KEEFE: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We flip now to New Mexico’s Democratic governor, Michelle Lujan Grisham, who’s becoming a member of us this morning from Santa Fe.
Governor, nice to see you.
A part of the rationale we needed to listen to from you this week is Republicans right here in Washington are debating the way forward for Medicaid and are proposing all kinds of potential adjustments to this system. Your state’s acquired the very best Medicaid enrollment per capita final we checked. We’re hoping to get some readability this week on what it’s precisely Republicans are considering of doing with their finances blueprint relating to Medicaid. However I perceive, 70 % – greater than 70 % of Medicaid protection in your state comes from federal funding. In the event that they begin to make cuts of any kind, do you’ve a plan to make up the distinction?
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM (D-NM): Properly, look, I believe each state, together with this one, goes to do every little thing they’ll to guard the those who they’re serving. And so, we’ll do the exact same. And, actually, we have created type of these Medicaid and associated healthcare state funded applications and belief funds.
However that is very merely an effort to destroy well being care as we all know it, to tear it away from on a regular basis Individuals, make it extra pricey for everyone else. It can shut hospitals. I believe one thing like 432 hospitals throughout the nation are on the sting proper now. A couple of third of their funding comes – or extra comes from Medicaid. So, you’ve much less suppliers, you’ve fewer entry factors.
No state, together with this one, no state can take this type of price shifting. And, , companies then haven’t got workers as a result of they do not have entry to well being care. It has an enormous financial issue that they don’t seem to be speaking about, which is outrageous.
Let me do yet one more fast level, as a result of I do know we wish to get to different stuff. We had a governor who was making an attempt to, I believe, proper earlier than me, my – Governor Martinez, and to her credit score was taking a look at methods, in a recession period economic system in New Mexico, to look to have price financial savings. They fully reduce behavioral well being out of Medicaid. And greater than a decade later, we’re nonetheless digging out. Suppliers left. Contractors left. Individuals haven’t got entry. Individuals died. Extra drug abuse. Extra drug dependancy. Extra behavioral well being high-risk points. It’s a catastrophe. And folks will die. Youngsters will die.
ED O’KEEFE: I do surprise, as a part of this potential rollback, would you must revisit the choice to broaden Medicaid underneath the Reasonably priced Care Act if the federal authorities cuts again on funding.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: So, I am dedicated in New Mexico to put money into high quality and entry. If we have been to roll again these expansions, we won’t try this.
I’d assume that my legislature goes to count on me, so I will – – it is a teaser, that I will come out for ensuring that we maintain Medicaid till – in the event that they cuts come, we get Congress – so this can be a plea to on a regular basis Individuals. You name your member of Congress. You allow them to know what this impression means to you and your loved ones.
Ladies. Bear in mind, few different OB/GYNs, fewer entry factors, increased maternal well being mortality charges, increased toddler mortality charges.
ED O’KEEFE: Sure.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: We have to be sure that Congress understands, that is no approach to regulate or tackle well being care points, which might use some efficiencies, and will some – use some equality investments. There is no doubt that there is some waste and fraud. Try this. Indiscriminately simply tearing aside Medicaid means that you’re going after hard-working Individuals in favor of billionaires and companies who do not want or are asking for this $1.5 trillion tax reduce.
ED O’KEEFE: That’s – this is a matter that every governor goes to need to take care of in a technique or one other as – because the Congress kinds out what to do.
I wish to ask you a couple of extra distinctive one, two. New Mexico and only a handful of different states. You, after all, share a border with Mexico. And the Trump administration has now arrange a novel nationwide protection space alongside that roughly 170-mile span, giving the Military management of that area for about three years. You are taking a look at a map there. That space in yellow is basically this new nationwide protection space. It means troops can detain trespassers who enter the realm. I am curious, does this ease your issues about border crossings as a border state governor? Is that this the way in which to do it?
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: I do not assume it’s. That isn’t my – my most main concern within the lack of due course of and what I imagine are clear violations to the Structure and what we’re doing about immigration. This is what I imagine we should be doing, and I imagine the vast majority of the members of my state, move border coverage in Congress. Rent extra border patrol brokers. Be certain we’re utilizing the army in locations we want them. Guarantee that states have entry to their guard for pure disasters and associated points. This is not sensible.
We have had the bottom for a number of administration now border crossings. We ought to be doing extra. We ought to be doing extra to stop people from not having entry, to have the ability to get visas and declare refugee and asylum standing. We should not simply be doing that to South Africans. This is not sensible.
However that is not my greatest situation. My greater situation is indiscriminate ICE raids and sweeps sowing worry in communities and with companies all throughout the nation. And that features many communities proper right here in New Mexico.
I’ve carried out a border flyover. I am paying consideration. You realize, it is – it is disconcerting to see tanks rolling proper alongside your border performing and demonstrating these type of army powers in that approach.
ED O’KEEFE: Sure.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: However I would favor that Congress, the faster they move a border invoice, a bipartisan border invoice, then perhaps we’d have some frequent sense on this debate. Go after the cartel.
ED O’KEEFE: Sure.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: Go after unhealthy members. Convey me public security. Try this statewide. That makes the distinction. They don’t seem to be doing that. They’re rolling round in tanks, allegedly detaining 100 folks or extra in I do not know what timeframe.
ED O’KEEFE: We’ll proceed –
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM As a result of that info’s onerous to get.
ED O’KEEFE: Proper. We’ll proceed to trace it and ask these inquiries to get a way of what number of are being detained.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: OK.
ED O’KEEFE: Governor, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us. We recognize it.
And we’ll be proper again.
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ED O’KEEFE: Pope Leo XIV known as for peace world wide throughout an tackle to a crowd in St. Peter’s Sq. this morning. His first Sunday blessings as head of the worldwide catholic church. He emphasised the necessity for an enduring peace in Ukraine, and he known as for an instantaneous ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
Earlier this weekend, the brand new pope held his first assembly with the faculty of cardinals. After that assembly, we spoke with Chicago Cardinal Blase Cupich about what the brand new pope stated and what it means for the church and the world’s 1.4 billion Catholics.
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ED O’KEEFE: We all know that one of many issues he mentioned with all of you is issues about synthetic intelligence, saying that it is among the essential points dealing with humanity. Did he clarify why?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH (Archbishop of Chicago): He stated that within the context of linking to the work of Leo XIII in the course of the second of the economic revolution, noticed that as a brand new period. And so he sees this chance proper now of his service as Leo XIV to take up the problem of a brand new expertise, particularly synthetic intelligence, and what which means to humanity.
He provided these remarks to offer us an concept that he sees that we’re at a brand new second in historical past and that the church needs to be delicate and conscious of what is going on on.
ED O’KEEFE: I think about this would be the topic of nice prayer and reflection by him and by all of you, however what presumably might the catholic church do to manage or police or management the usage of synthetic intelligence?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: I believe it is in all probability as much as legislators to place in measures that regulate. I believe what we are able to do is to talk to the ethical and human points which are concerned as this expertise develops. How is it that we are able to proceed to protect our humanity and likewise develop in it.
I believe there are some fantastic alternatives for synthetic intelligence, but in addition some challenges which are unexpected. The measuring rod needs to be, nevertheless, what does it do to our human nature? What does it do to our potential to behave in a really human approach? These questions, I believe, are – we’re very properly versed in to have the ability to converse to and provide the world some recommendation.
ED O’KEEFE: You realize, any time a priest, a bishop, a cardinal begins a mass, you all the time starting by saying, peace be with you. And it was one of many first issues he stated type the balcony there in St. Peter’s Sq. when he greeted the group. I am curious, as pope, what does he make of this world on fireplace, and what can he presumably do to convey peace to the world?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: He needed to be sure that we, as a church, offered to the world the chance to convey a form of peace that begins in every considered one of our hearts. We do see, as Pope Francis stated, a world warfare that is being fought piecemeal. And so my hope can be that he can be – he can be an agent of peace, on the lookout for methods by which humanity may be challenged, to search for methods by which the variations that we’ve may be resolved in a peaceable approach.
You realize, the opposite factor that involves thoughts right here is that the cardinals got here to a choice in simply 24 hours. Right here we have been over – over 130 males representing over 70 nations, and we have been in a position, regardless of all the variations that we’ve in language and tradition, to make a decision in a unified approach. Hopefully that could be a signal that the world can also work out its difficulties and variations in a approach that is peaceable and that unites humanity.
ED O’KEEFE: Can we anticipate that he’ll proceed Francis’ legacy of weighing in on international politics, and is he maybe calling on all of you, as his brother cardinals, to do the identical?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Sure, I believe, Ed, he feels an obligation, as I believe popes have within the fashionable period, to talk to the problems of the day. As a result of we dwell in a world by which there are actual challenges globally. There may be, I believe, a recent second for us to look at, what are the human dimensions of immigration. How will we see international warming impacting us? How the problems associated to the struggling of humanity ought to be – ought to impression all of us, and make all of us conscious and take part in options.
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Your Eminence, it’s Mom’s Day, and I am curious, what accountability does the catholic church need to girls proper now?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Properly, it is a terrific alternative to want all moms a Pleased Mom’s Day. I believe the essential side that was begun in some ways by Pope Francis is to acknowledge the presents and abilities of ladies. They need to be equal companions in providing management within the lifetime of the church. Additionally, that their voice is heard. They arrive at life in another way by means of their very own expertise and enrich the dialogue.
ED O’KEEFE: However you say there girls ought to be equal companions, however the situation of ladies ever serving as deacons or monks, after all, is one which even Pope Leo disagrees with. Is that this a settled situation, that there’ll by no means be that, however that he maybe continues the elevation of ladies in different Vatican management positions?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Properly, sure, as a result of I believe that what the query comes all the way down to is, how will we give a spot within the lifetime of the church, particularly in management, and likewise to have the knowledge of ladies introduced ahead within the lifetime of the church. Pope Francis has carried out that in making, as an example, the governor of Vatican Metropolis, for the primary time, a lady. A lady who’s the top of a serious decastry (ph) for non secular, for women and men. And so, he has appeared for tactics by which the very presents and abilities of ladies may be put to the service of – the lifetime of the church. And I – I’m very positive that Pope Leo XIV will do the identical.
ED O’KEEFE: Let’s get to the query that I believe is on the minds of many Individuals nonetheless, we won’t fairly fathom the truth that an American is now pope. You have identified him for a few years. Each of you might be sons of the Midwest. He is from the south aspect of Chicago. You have been born in Omaha. You now are the cardinal of Chicago. How do you imagine his papacy goes to be formed by his Midwest roots?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Properly, I believe that he now has quite a bit on his shoulders. And having been born within the metropolis of huge shoulders, I believe he is as much as the duty.
However I additionally do not wish to underplay the truth that he is been formed in his expertise of dwelling in Peru. The folks in Peru contemplate him their pope, their compatriot, as he is additionally a citizen of Peru. And in addition he is has lived on the continent in Europe 12 years right here in Rome. So, I believe he is been formed by all of that. However we’ll take satisfaction in the truth that it began in Chicago.
ED O’KEEFE: And if a yr from now we’re making an attempt to measure the Leo impact, perhaps particularly on the American catholic church, how are we going to know that it was successful or a failure to this point?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Properly, I believe that, let’s give him time. You realize, perhaps a yr is just too fast of a time interval to make that evaluation. It is a relationship that is going to develop. And I – I simply – I believe that somebody who speaks like an American to Individuals goes to be a possibility, a recent alternative to reintroduce the social teachings of the church in a approach that is going to make us take a second take a look at all of that as Catholics in the US. That is what I am wanting ahead to.
ED O’KEEFE: And the way quickly do we predict he’ll go to?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Properly, I – it in all probability will not be the primary one, however we’ll do some heavy lobbying for Chicago to be on the itinerary when he involves the US.
ED O’KEEFE: I’d – I’d assume he would cease by. Why would not he?
Cardinal Blase Cupich, of Chicago, the windy metropolis, congratulations and thanks for spending a while with us this weekend. We recognize it.
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Thanks, Ed, for having me. I recognize it.
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ED O’KEEFE: You’ll be able to see extra from our interview with Cardinal Cupich on our web site and our YouTube web page. We’ll be proper again with much more FACE THE NATION. Stick with us.
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ED O’KEEFE: We’re delighted to show now to the UK’s ambassador to the US, Peter Mandelson, who’s right here making his FACE THE NATION debut.
Ambassador, thanks for being right here.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON, (U.Ok. Ambassador to the US): It is nice to be right here. And Pleased Mom’s Day to all these mothers on the market.
ED O’KEEFE: Certainly. To all of them wherever they’re.
I needed to start out with the truth that the US and the UK have now introduced a framework – a framework for a commerce deal that covers all kinds of issues, metal, aluminum, automobiles, beef. You are scrapping a 20 % tariff on U.S. beef. You are elevating the quote on its imports. Do you’ve any sense of how quickly this deal goes to be finalized, and do you belief that the US goes to carry up its finish of the discount?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Oh, sure, we regard it as finalized. A deal is a deal. And I completely have little question that the president and his colleagues, Secretary Lutnick and USTR Jamison Greer, having stated they’d do a deal, have been true to their phrase. They delivered this deal. And I’ve absolute confidence that they will see it by means of.
And it displays the battle – the type of wonderful assured relationship between our two nations and the cordial relationship personally between the president and the prime minister.
And now we are able to construct on it. I imply we are able to take a look at – look to different commerce boundaries that we are able to convey down in order to create extra jobs in the US. And in addition one thing very near my coronary heart. I wish to see us construct a detailed U.S./U.Ok. expertise partnership, to take a position and construct future industries in each our nations, that are science-based and pushed by expertise.
ED O’KEEFE: Proper.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: That might be a terrific achieve for each our nations.
ED O’KEEFE: And that is not a part of this deal so it requires one other spherical.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Oh, sure. No, no, no, it is – it is featured within the deal nevertheless it requires now work.
ED O’KEEFE: Proper.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: To design it.
ED O’KEEFE: My learn within the British Press – I will pin this on the British press is, that you’ve got accepted a worse deal than the U.Ok. had earlier than, simply to get out from the shadow of the tariff risk. Is it that you just guys maybe rushed to be first earlier than all different nations?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: I do not – I do not – actually did not perceive the logic of that. The actual fact is that –
ED O’KEEFE: Properly, you are paying extra tariffs than you have been earlier than, proper? That is a part of it.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Properly, in some instances. However in different instances we’re not. I imply, in some instances we’re all the way down to – to zero. So – and in different instances, for instance, in autos, we have completely safe quotas for exports to the US. So, it is a whole lot, and I am more than happy that we have achieved it, however now we’ve to construct on it.
ED O’KEEFE: The opposite tariff – factor that got here up this week that has the potential to adversely have an effect on the British economic system is the concept of a 100% tariff on any films produced outdoors the US. Have you ever mentioned that but with the administration? Do you’ve any sense of how that might adversely have an effect on the British movie business?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Properly, we touched on it. However that is American movies happening in Britain. And we wish to shield the American movie business. And tariffs, when you can put a tariff on a movie, isn’t going to do this. However whether or not or not it’s in respect to movies or prescribed drugs that could be coming down the observe in direction of us, we’ve an settlement on this deal that British pursuits will likely be shield alongside of these of the US.
ED O’KEEFE: I wish to flip to Russia and Ukraine as a result of tat was a terrific focus of your prime minister this weekend.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Sure.
ED O’KEEFE: He stated after the announcement of the proposed ceasefire this weekend that if Putin, quote, “is critical about peace, he has an opportunity to indicate it.” However he is mainly ignored the ceasefire proposal and is now, as soon as once more, calling for one-on-one talks. I imply do you – is it the evaluation of your authorities that Russia is in any respect critical about this?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Look, at face worth it is constructive that he is provided direct talks for Putin with – with the Ukrainians. However then once you take a look at the small print, you see what he – you see that he needs his talks. So, as to name into query the very existence of Ukraine as a free democratic and sovereign nation.
ED O’KEEFE: Proper.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: And within the meantime in a single day this weekend we have had Russian munitions and drones raining down on Ukraine and killing Ukrainian folks. It would not appear critical to us. And we’re very glad that the Ukrainians have embraced this ceasefire, because the president requested them to do. However the fact is that it seems as if President Putin is partaking in brinksmanship with President Trump, and positively so far as we’re involved in Britain, we solely need one president to prevail on this standoff, and that is President Trump, not President Putin. And that will require, due to this fact, further strain being mounted on Russia so as to convey them to the negotiating desk.
ED O’KEEFE: And I am curious, you have been across the president in latest days. He is been clearly charmed by you. And you have been speaking to the administration a couple of host of issues. Is it – is it your sense that he and his administration has, in essence, turned the nook on the Ukraine/Russia battle in the previous few weeks, siding extra now clearly with Ukraine?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: I believe we’re at a defining second on this battle, this warfare between – that Russia has launched on Ukraine. And that is why I believe that the administration now wants to contemplate how it’ll pursue its aim of peace. That aim can solely be realized if Russia, Putin matches what Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians have provided, which is a 30-day ceasefire throughout which correct negotiations can happen. That is what we have to see.
ED O’KEEFE: Does the US have to move a brand new spherical of sanctions in opposition to Russia if they do not observe by means of within the subsequent few days?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Properly, Senator Lindsey Graham has a invoice and –
ED O’KEEFE: He does, sure.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Together with your (ph) colleagues up on – on The Hill, and assume the administering will wish to choose the timeliness, the appropriateness of backing that invoice.
ED O’KEEFE: All proper. Ambassador Peter Mandelson, thanks a lot for stopping by. Do not be a stranger. Come once more.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: I would like to.
ED O’KEEFE: All proper. Thanks.
We’ll be again in a second. Stick with us.
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ED O’KEEFE: That is it for us right now. Thanks a lot for watching.
Margaret’s going to be again subsequent Sunday.
I would be remiss if I did not say Pleased Mom’s Day to mother, to my mother-in- regulation, to my spouse, and to all of the moms at CBS Information and people of you watching. Tune in subsequent Sunday to see who’s right here to FACE THE NATION. Take care.
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